Do these verses seem contradictory to you?

Read this before you read the response below:  Both Honor and be enemies …?

Leland, the first rule of Biblical interpretation is to read each passage in it’s context. That is, to first understand who is speaking, to whom they are speaking, and what they are speaking about. While every passage of scripture is “God breathed” and is intended for our edification, not everything is addressed specifically to us today. Rather, it is meant that we will learn the precepts that God is teaching.

The first passage you quote is Jesus explaining to his disciples that he has not come at that time to bring a universal Messianic reign of peace. His point is that the Gospel will not be accepted by everyone and therefore it will cause division. He is not saying that he INTENDS for there to be division, but rather that he knows his message will offend those who do not receive it. This is a general principle that we call “the offense of the Gospel”.

In your quote from Ephesians, the Apostle Paul is instructing the church on precepts that bring order and blessing to life. He is explaining that we have a responsibility to remember the commandment to honor father and mother – because this is the one that specifically carries a promise of blessing. We learn that it is a vital precept to have an understanding of authority structures and to submit ourselves appropriately.

These are not in conflict, but rather are in fact different topics. Jesus is NOT commanding strife in a family. He is explaining that the Gospel will divide people. I will give you three examples:

1. In the first century many people were put out of the Synogogues for faith in Jesus as the true Messiah. This was a matter of social disgrace and shame. Some people were therefore abandoned by their adult children for it – in violation of the commandment. Until the destruction of the Jewish temple in AD 70, Jewish Christians were persecuted by Jewish non-believers with great hostility. The story of Paul the Apostle is just one of many such accounts.

2. When I first became a believer, my extended family rejected this. We had come from a religious tradition that did not fully accept the Bible as the word of God. Instead, our historical tradition held to many teachings of people in addition to the Bible. As a result of my stand on the Word of God alone – and salvation exclusively by faith in Christ, my family rejected me. I was once expelled from my Grandfather’s home for trying to explain the wonders that God had done in my life by faith in Christ. Some of my family grew very hostile to me; Not because I sought it, but because they refused to accept my beliefs. My own mother pled with me to come back to the family tradition and I told her I could not. She said “then you don’t love me”. To her, I was being hateful and unloving by my commitment to Christ.

3. In 1999 I met a Muslim from Afghanistan and we became good friends. I asked him if he had ever heard the Gospel or if he knew of Christian missionaries that had ever established a church in his country; I asked him to consider becoming a Christian. He said to me “you don’t understand, no matter how compelling the message of Jesus, I cannot.” I asked him “why?” and he said “to follow Jesus, I would have to deny my father and mother, my brothers and sisters; I would have to deny my entire nation and even deny myself!” I said “you have actually just quoted Jesus; and you are right”.

Now, I can also tell you that it is possible to honor your father and mother, even if they do reject you for your faith. I know people who have been blessed for doing so. I also know many who have later won their family to faith in Christ by their faithful commitment to honor.

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1st Response to: Both Honor and be enemies

Original Post/Question is here: Both Honor and be enemies

Leland,

The verses you cited are not contradictory. Everything must be understood in the wider context of all the Bible says about family relationships.

God’s original design for the family is that there be a husband and wife committed for life to one another under the authority of God, worshipping and serving Him, and raising their chidren “in the training and instruction of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4). Since sin has entered the picture, members of a family are under the influence of sin, so some family members may now be obeying God and other’s not.

The general principle in God’s Word is that children should honor, respect and obey their parents in everything(Ephesians 6:1), EXCEPT where their commands are unrighteous and directly contradict or violate the Word of God. An example of this is found in Acts 5:27-29 where the religious rulers commanded the apostles not to speak about Jesus (in direct contradiction to God’s command). The reply of the apostles was correctly,”We must obey God rather than men!”

If parents are commanding their children to break God’s law, then the child should obey God rather than the parent, which may set in motion the chain of events in Matthew 10:34-35; “…a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”

A word of caution: Children must make absolutely sure that what the parent commanding is a direct violation of the Word of God before deciding to disobey it. The should pray and ask God and get advice from other mature believers before they deliberately disobey, otherwise they may face the wrath of their parents and they will not only be sinning against their parents, but God as well. Just because the child feels the parent’s command may be unjust, it does not necessarily make it a violation of God’s Word.

Children who disobey parents should be prepared to face the wrath of the parents. If the child suffers as a result of chosing to obey the Word of God over their parents they are being persecuted for Jesus’ sake. They should rejoice because they will receive a great reward in Heaven (Matthew 5:10-12).

Both Honor and be enemies …?

I posted this originally in a Christian forum: All About God

I have a couple responses to this question which I will post soon, but thought I’d post this question to you and get your feedback.

These two versus seem to be somewhat contradictory.

I believe in Eph 6:1, it is referring to CHILDREN, not grown children . But, the Eph 6:2 states “honor your father and mother”… yet in Matthew 10:35 Jesus Christ states: “For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother…”

Do these two statements seem contradictory – or maybe not, but how does one be against his father or mother and in Matthew 10:36 “a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.” and uphold the commands in Eph 6:1-4.

Both Honor and be enemies …?

Mt 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

” ‘a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

Mt 10:36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

Children and Parents

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord

MISSING MAN TABLE & HONORS CEREMONY

Of all things, I was watching a TV show, “Night Shift” and heard the term “Missing Man Table” as it was related to our veterans.  I was interested in learning more and proceeded to look it up.  Wow, what an awesome tribute and so heart wrenching too.  So powerful, so emotional, so . . . perfect.  Please read the document below and learn more about it, maybe you are like me and never heard of it before, or never knew what it was, now we can appreciate it and what it stands for.  God Bless You!!

MISSING MAN TABLE & HONORS CEREMONY
As you entered the room, you may have noticed a special table; it is reserved to honor our missing men.

Set for six, the empty chairs represent Americans who were or are missing from each of the services – Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard – and civilians, all with us in spirit.

Some here were very young, or not yet born, when the Vietnam War began; however, all Americans should never forget the brave men and women who answered our Nation’s call and served the cause of freedom in a special way.

Let me explain the meaning of this table, and then join me for a moment of silent prayer. The table is round – to show our everlasting concern. The cloth is white – symbolizing the purity of their motives when answering the call to serve. The single red rose reminds us of the lives of these Americans….and their loved ones and friends who keep the faith, while seeking answers. The yellow ribbon symbolizes our continuing uncertainty, the hope for their return, and our determination to account for them.

A slice of lemon reminds us of their bitter fate, captured and missing in a foreign land. A pinch of salt symbolizes the tears of our missing and their families – who long for answers after decades of uncertainty.

The lighted candle reflects our hope for their return – alive or dead. The Bible represents the strength gained through faith, to sustain us and those lost from our country, founded as one Nation under God.

The glass is inverted – symbolizing their inability to share a toast. The chairs are empty – they are missing…………….. (moment of silence) Let us now raise our water glasses in a toast to honor America’s POW/MIAs, to the success of our efforts to account for them, and to the safety of all now serving our Nation!

Faith is Stronger than Reason

Faith is Stronger Than Reason

That is how the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary gives definition to faith in its second definition “Faith is stronger than reason.”

Four events I have read in the Bible cause me to stop and question the strength of my faith in Jesus Christ. The first one is when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son, Isaac. Abraham did so without questioning his faith. The second is the story of Joseph who was sold by his brothers to lead an adventurous life of which included being placed in prison and eventually being placed in charge of Egypt. The third is the story of JOB, where everything he had was taken from him but his last breath, yet he would not curse God. The fourth example is of the opposite, it starts with Matthew 8:23, Jesus Christ and the disciples are in a boat on the lake and a furious storm developed, the disciples became so afraid, even though they had Jesus Christ in the boat, they woke him; his statement to his disciples was: Matthew 8:26 “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?”.

This last example helps me question my faith. Even though I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, in a way, he is in my boat, how do I respond when my life becomes turbulent like the lake did on the disciples. Do I proceed with faith, or do I do what the disciple did, become afraid, and have to wake Jesus Christ to take care of my troubles.

Even if I can recite versus from the Bible, I go to church every week; I engage in church activities, work on knowing about God and Jesus Christ, is my faith as strong as Abraham’s, Joseph’s, and JOB’s. I believe our faith in God, Jesus Christ our savior should far outweigh our knowledge of the Bible. If there is one thing I would teach anyone, it would to have unwavering Faith in God. Is your faith stronger than reason?

My favorite versus from the Bible on Faith are from the Book of James:

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

James 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

James 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

Part 2 of 3 What is Your Version?

PART 2 of 3

{This is a comment I got from a friend when I posted What is Your Version?  I found it very informative and well written.  God Bless my friend Dave.}

If you’re more comfortable with an on-line source of the Bible, where several versions can be read at the same time, this can also help…..but, it can also lead you down a very incorrect path! There is an old saying: Translators are traitors! So, beware. We all stand before God for the things we do in this lifetime, so keep vigilent on what you think you know, and think you understand. Always be ready to reassess what you think you know as a new understanding challenges your conception of ideas gained from the Biblical text.

The significance of some of the errors are critical, however most likely none of you here would fully comprehend the reason why. That isn’t a put down, trust me, it’s just that it’s likely that none of you know enough about law, and your own relationship to the governments of the world, or the Kingdom of God to know why a particular word should’ve been translated a particular way.

Until you read the Bible as a POLITICAL book written about how governments are structured and how laws come into being and how you become bound to obedience to a particular society, then you cannot comprehend how Jesus did what He did, nor how He can set you free! Right now, you are all SLAVES. You’ve never known freedom on any level. That’s a bold statement that I make no apologies for. You need to hear it, and learn about your life in these perillous times.

The KJ translators were given specific edicts from King James to translate certain words certain ways! Hello!!! The King isn’t going to allow anyone to have a Bible that says you’re supposed to be following another KING…one King Jesus!!!! All other “bibles” are more politically inferior than the KJV.

My advice is: don’t look to any of the translations to “save you”. Only the Holy Spirit of God can do that. However, Study to show thyself approved….and, study like a Berean!

The Bible is a Tutor. If studied critically it will give much intellectual understanding of the Biblical era, and today’s quagmire that the whole world finds itself suffering within.

The Holy Spirit is not about knowledge, its about LIFE, and TRUTH. For all of my hours and years of studying law and the Bible I used very little of my “knowledge” to get myself out of the lions den. It was the Holy Spirit that gave me wisdom and understanding that set me free in my hour.

As far as Bible studies go, I can tell you this. It has taken me in excess of 20,000 hours to get to where I am now in reading and studying the Biblical text. In another 20,000 hours I think I can have a pretty good grasp on it. But, maybe not;>)

Cont’….  Part 3 of 3 What is Your Version?

What is Your Version?